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Theological Response

Faithful Within the Storm

A Comprehensive Biblical Response to
Dr. Conrad Vine’s Call for Separation

Scripture, Spirit of Prophecy, and Historical Analysis

By Pastor Phil Mills  ·  January 2026

Preface

Introduction

I did not want to write this document.

As a pastor, my calling is to proclaim the everlasting gospel, to nurture believers in faith, and to lead people to Jesus. I would rather be writing about the joy of salvation, the beauty of the Sabbath, or the hope of Christ’s soon return. Controversy is not my native soil.

But silence has a cost.

In recent months, I have watched with growing concern as a movement has gained traction within Adventism—one that claims the mantle of reform while advocating separation from the very church God has called into existence. I have seen Ellen White’s writings selectively quoted to support positions she explicitly condemned. I have heard faithful church members, confused by confident-sounding arguments, genuinely wondering whether they should redirect their tithe or distance themselves from church leadership.

When error is presented with conviction and wrapped in the language of faithfulness, someone must respond with clarity and grace. This document is my attempt to do so.

I want to be clear about what this document is not. It is not a personal attack. I have no desire to impugn motives or question anyone’s sincerity. Conrad Vine and others who share his concerns may genuinely believe they are serving God. This document addresses positions, not persons—arguments, not character.

Nor is this document a defense of every decision church leadership has ever made. The Seventh-day Adventist Church, like every human institution, is imperfect. Leaders make mistakes. Policies sometimes miss the mark. There is always room for reform, and faithful members should engage constructively in that process.

But there is a vast difference between reform and rebellion, between constructive engagement and calls for separation. The movement examined in these pages crosses that line. It misrepresents Ellen White. It misreads church history. It proposes solutions that would fragment the remnant church at the very hour when unity matters most.

My prayer is simple: that this document will bring clarity where there is confusion, peace where there is anxiety, and renewed confidence in God’s leadership of His church. The storm is real. But so is the Captain of our salvation. And He has not abandoned the ship.

Pastor Phil Mills
Franktown, Colorado
January 2026

Context

Understanding What Is at Stake

A movement has gained traction in some corners of Adventism—one urging members to redirect their tithe, form parallel church structures, and treat denominational leadership as spiritually compromised. Its most prominent voice is Dr. Conrad Vine, who served as president of Adventist Frontier Missions from 2011 to 2025. His sermons have circulated widely online, and his message has found a receptive audience among some members—particularly in North America—who experienced frustration during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Who Is Conrad Vine?

Vine holds a doctorate and has spent decades in Adventist ministry, including fourteen years leading Adventist Frontier Missions, one of the church’s most respected mission organizations. He is an articulate, educated, credentialed leader—not an outsider lobbing criticisms from the margins. This is precisely what makes his message so compelling to many and so concerning to others.

His primary messages include “An Appeal to Adventist Nobility” (January 2022), a series delivered at a Maine camp meeting in August 2024, including “Remnant, Respectable, or Regime Church?”, and “The Three Paths” (March 2025). The titles themselves reveal his framing: he positions himself in the tradition of Martin Luther, appealing to German nobility against papal corruption.

What Vine Has Called For

Vine’s proposals are specific and far-reaching:

Tithe redirection: He advocates establishing “a parachurch movement within the Adventist Church” where “a committee would collect the tithe and allocate it to conferences that are faithful to scripture.”

Withdrawal from global engagement: By December 2025, the GC and ADRA should withdraw from UN consultative status. By January 2026, withdraw from ecumenical involvement.

Sale of the healthcare system: Over the 2025–2030 quinquennial period, sell off the NAD healthcare system.

ADRA restructuring: Wind down programs from donors that prohibit direct evangelism.

What Is Actually at Stake

This document will show that, despite his apparent sincerity and the legitimacy of some underlying concerns, Vine’s proposed path is not new but well worn from the days of Jesus. It is condemned by the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy and represents a profound danger to Vine and those who follow it.

Beware of those who arise with a great burden to denounce the church. The chosen ones who are standing and breasting the storm of opposition from the world, and are uplifting the downtrodden commandments of God to exalt them as holy and honorable, are indeed the light of the world.

— Ellen White, 1893
Part I

The Spiritual Danger of Separation

Before addressing Vine’s specific claims, we must establish what is spiritually at stake. This is not primarily a policy dispute—it is a matter of eternal consequence.

The Direction of the Shaking

Ellen White is explicit about the direction of the shaking. The faithful do not leave—the unfaithful are sifted out:

The shaking of God blows away multitudes like dry leaves. Prosperity multiplies a mass of professors. Adversity purges them out of the church.

— Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 89

Note the image: chaff is blown away; wheat remains. The church stays. The unfaithful depart. This is the opposite of what offshoot movements claim.

As the storm approaches, a large class who have professed faith in the third angel’s message, but have not been sanctified through obedience to the truth, abandon their position and join the ranks of the opposition.

— The Great Controversy, p. 608

They abandon their position. They leave. They join the opposition. The faithful remnant remains.

“A Purer, Holier People”—The Enemy’s Delight

Ellen White directly addressed the very argument that offshoot movements make—that a “purer” people must come out of the corrupted church:

You will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God’s people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy.

— Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 179

“All this pleases the enemy.” Satan delights when people use the language of the shaking to justify leaving God’s church. It is his strategy. He knows that the greatest damage to God’s cause comes not from external persecution but from internal division.

Weapons Turned Against the Church

When men arise, claiming to have a message from God, but instead of warring against principalities and powers, and the rulers of the darkness of this world, they form a hollow square, and turn the weapons of warfare against the church militant, be afraid of them. They do not bear the divine credentials.

— Testimonies to Ministers, p. 22

Consider Vine’s sermons. Where is his primary fire directed? Not at “the rulers of the darkness of this world.” His sermons are titled “Regime Church” and “Trampling Upon Conscience”—aimed at denominational leadership. This is precisely the pattern Ellen White warned against: weapons turned inward against the church militant.

“Beware of Those Who Arise with a Great Burden to Denounce”

Beware of those who arise with a great burden to denounce the church…. When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.

— Selected Messages, vol. 3, pp. 17–18

This is not a prohibition on prophetic reproof or calling the church to faithfulness. Ellen White herself did that powerfully. But there is a crucial difference between calling the church to revival within its structure and denouncing the church as apostate while forming independent ministry platforms.

Jesus Condemns Independence from His Church

Many have the idea that they are responsible to Christ alone for their light and experience, independent of His acknowledged followers in the world. But this is condemned by Jesus.

— Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 433

This cuts to the heart of the separatist argument. The claim to follow Christ while rejecting His organized church is not spiritual maturity—it is condemned by Jesus Himself.

The Church Will Not Fall

The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.

— Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 380

We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.

— Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 390

I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.

— SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 911

The Historical Evidence: The Pattern of Offshoot Failure

The history of Adventism reveals a consistent pattern. Every major offshoot movement has followed a predictable trajectory: false prophecy, fragmentation, and often descent into fanaticism or doctrinal aberration.

The Shepherd’s Rod (1929–1930s)

Victor Houteff called for “reform” and established the Davidians. After his death in 1955, his wife Florence predicted the end would come April 22, 1959. Hundreds gathered in Waco, Texas, selling homes and quitting jobs. The prophecy failed utterly. The movement immediately splintered into multiple competing factions.

The Branch Davidians (1955–1993)

One splinter descended through increasingly unstable leadership until David Koresh claimed to be the Lamb who alone could open the seven seals. The movement ended in tragedy at Waco, where over 80 people died, including many children. This movement began with claims of being more faithful than the organized church.

The SDA Reform Movement (1914–present)

Formed over conscientious objection to military service in World War I, this group has itself fragmented into multiple competing factions—each claiming the others have departed from truth.

The pattern is not merely that these movements are smaller than the organized church. The pattern is qualitative: false prophecy, fragmentation, fanaticism, and doctrinal aberration.

The Self-Deception at the Heart of Separation

Self-deception is upon them. During the calm, what firmness they manifest! what courageous sailors they make! But when the furious tempests of trial and temptation come, lo! their souls are shipwrecked.

— Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 90

The person leaving the church feels firm, courageous, faithful. But Ellen White identifies this as self-deception. The true test is not whether you feel faithful, but whether you remain anchored to God’s organized body through the storm.

God Will Care for His Work

Because of unconsecrated workers, things will sometimes go wrong. You may weep over the result of the wrong course of others, but do not worry. The work is under the supervision of the blessed Master…. All parts of the work—our churches, missions, Sabbath schools, institutions—are carried on His heart. Why worry?

— Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 298

There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong…. Let God take care of His own work.

— Selected Messages, vol. 2, pp. 390–391
Part II

The “Papal System” Accusation

Vine’s Claim

Vine characterizes the SDA Church’s representative governance as reflecting a “papal” or “regime” structure. He argues that the General Conference has overstepped its authority. In comparing himself to Luther appealing to German nobility, Vine implies that the SDA Church structure has become analogous to the papal system the Reformers opposed.

Calling the Church Babylon Without Saying the Word

Though Vine avoids the word “Babylon,” his characterizations amount to precisely that accusation. AudioVerse’s spiritual integrity committee correctly observed that his statements are “very closely akin to calling the Seventh-day Adventist Church structure ‘Babylon.'”

Consider Vine’s language: the church has become “a regime church implementing the dictates of a godless government.” We “entered the pandemic as Protestants, and we exited as a Papal system.”

If you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.

— Testimonies to Ministers, p. 59

To claim that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon is to make the same claim as does Satan, who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God night and day.

— Testimonies to Ministers, pp. 42–43

There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach, and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places; and for any man to call the attention of the world and other churches to this church, denouncing her as Babylon, is to do a work in harmony with him who is the accuser of the brethren.

— Testimonies to Ministers, pp. 50–51

The Luther Comparison: Why It Fails

This comparison fundamentally misunderstands both the Reformation and the current situation.

What Luther Faced: A system that had changed fundamental doctrines. A church that claimed authority above Scripture. Death threats, excommunication, and the execution of dissenters. Prohibition on translating or reading Scripture.

What Vine Faces: A church statement encouraging (not mandating) vaccination. A statement that explicitly affirms: “We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and recognize individual choices.” No threat to life, employment, or membership.

The comparison is not merely exaggerated—it trivializes what the Reformers actually suffered and what genuine religious persecution looks like.

Biblical Response: The Jerusalem Council Model

The New Testament establishes a clear pattern of representative church governance with binding authority. Acts 15:1–31 records the Jerusalem Council, where church leaders gathered to decide a controversial question. Key observations:

Representatives gathered from multiple churches: “The apostles and elders met to consider this question” (Acts 15:6).

Their decision was binding on all churches: “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us” (Acts 15:28).

Local churches were expected to comply: “As they traveled from town to town, they delivered the decisions reached by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the people to obey” (Acts 16:4).

This is precisely the pattern the SDA Church follows. This is not “papal”—it is biblical.

Spirit of Prophecy: The Authority of the General Conference in Session

I have been shown that no man’s judgment should be surrendered to the judgment of any one man. But when the judgment of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon the earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be maintained, but be surrendered.

— Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 492

God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority.

— Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 261

What the GC Statement Actually Said

“The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being…. We encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of ‘herd immunity.’ We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and recognize individual choices.

— General Conference, 2015 Official Statement

The statement explicitly affirms that “we are not the conscience of the individual church member.” It encourages vaccination as consistent with our health message but does not mandate it.

Ellen White’s Direct Warning

Those who start up to proclaim a message on their own individual responsibility, who, while claiming to be taught and led of God, still make it their special work to tear down that which God has been for years building up, are not doing the will of God. Be it known that these men are on the side of the great deceiver. Believe them not. They are allying themselves with the enemies of God and of the truth. They will deride the ministry as a system of priestcraft. From such turn away, have no fellowship with their message, however much they may quote the Testimonies and seek to entrench themselves behind them. Receive them not, for God has not given them this work to do.

— Testimonies to Ministers, p. 51

Note how precisely this describes the pattern we are witnessing: Starting up on “own individual responsibility”—check. Claiming to be “taught and led of God”—check. Making it “special work to tear down” what God has built—check. Quoting the Testimonies extensively—check.

Those who are carrying this message of error, denouncing the church as Babylon and neglecting their God-appointed work, are in opposition to organization, in opposition to the plain command of God spoken by Malachi in regard to bringing all the tithes into the treasury of God’s house, and imagine that they have a work to do in warning those whom God has chosen to forward His message of truth.

— Testimonies to Ministers, pp. 51–53

The Functional Separation Distinction

Some may object that Vine has not called for members to leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church—and technically, this is true. But what is separation, really? Is it merely removing one’s name from church records? Or is it withdrawing financial support, organizational loyalty, and spiritual confidence from the body while maintaining formal membership?

When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him.

— Selected Messages, vol. 3, pp. 17–18

She does not say “when anyone formally resigns membership.” She says “drawing apart from the organized body.” One can draw apart while still appearing on the membership rolls. The tithe that flows elsewhere, the loyalty that shifts to independent platforms, the trust that transfers from elected leadership to self-appointed reformers—these constitute functional separation regardless of technical membership status.

The distinction matters because it is precisely how separation typically begins. Few offshoot movements started with formal departures. The Shepherd’s Rod began as a reform movement within Adventism. Victor Houteff initially advocated staying in the church while attending his separate meetings. The pattern is consistent: functional separation precedes formal separation, and independent financial structures accelerate the process.

This pattern is worth bearing in mind when examining the timeline of Vine’s own movement. Public records show that “As a Needle to the Pole, Inc.”—Vine’s independent ministry—was legally incorporated in Michigan on January 3, 2023, more than eighteen months before his controversial Maine sermons and subsequent removal from conference pulpits. While still serving as president of Adventist Frontier Missions, the legal infrastructure for an independent platform was already being built. This does not prove ill intent, but it does complicate the narrative that his independent ministry was forced upon him by persecution—and it fits the historical pattern precisely: the organizational groundwork for separation is laid quietly, well before the public break.

Part III

The Question of Ellen White’s Statements on General Conference Authority

This issue deserves dedicated attention because it is central to how Vine and his supporters build their case. They quote Ellen White’s critical statements from the 1890s as if they represent her final, settled view. This is historically and contextually inaccurate.

The Critical Statements in Context

In the 1890s, Ellen White made several strong statements expressing concern about General Conference leadership:

It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.

— Manuscript Releases, vol. 17, p. 216 (1898)

These statements are genuine and significant. But what was she addressing?

The Problem: “Kingly Power”

Ellen White’s concern was specific: a small group of men had concentrated power in Battle Creek and were making decisions that properly belonged to the broader church body. The problem was not representative governance itself—it was the absence of truly representative governance.

The Solution: The 1901 Reorganization

The 1901 General Conference Session addressed these concerns through major structural changes: Union conferences were established, decentralizing authority. The General Conference Committee was enlarged to include representation from the world field. Decision-making was distributed to local and union conferences.

Ellen White was elated. After the session, she expressed that the changes brought “a sweet solemnity… and a glow of gratitude to [her] soul.”

The 1909 Reaffirmation

Eight years after the reorganization, with the new structure firmly in place, Ellen White reaffirmed the authority of the reorganized body:

God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has vested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.

— Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 261 (1909)

Her position is entirely consistent: In the 1890s, she said the GC was not the voice of God because a few men were controlling it. In 1901, she called for reorganization. In 1909, she affirmed the reorganized GC has divine authority.

The 2025 General Conference Session: The World Church Speaks

On the opening day of business at the 62nd GC Session in St. Louis, a delegate moved to amend the session agenda to include a review of the 2015 immunization statement. The motion triggered nearly an hour of debate.

The vote was overwhelming: 310 in favor of adding the discussion, 1,662 against. More than 84% of delegates from around the world voted to uphold the existing statements without revision.

This was not a small committee. This was 2,500+ delegates from every world division, representing 22 million Seventh-day Adventists, exercising precisely the authority Ellen White affirmed in 1909.

A Telling Detail: The Global South Was Silent

During the nearly hour-long discussion, not a single delegate representing the Global South spoke in support of reconsidering the statement. The voices calling for revision came almost exclusively from North America and Australia.

A delegate from the West Africa Division dismissed the issue as “an American/white man thing that has been forced on us.” A delegate from Zimbabwe stated plainly: “The vaccines are a non-contentious issue. It won’t hinder your salvation.” Brazilian pastors expressed frustration that the debate was consuming time better spent on mission.

An Administrative Error—Acknowledged and Corrected

Church officers discovered that the immunization statement posted on the official website for the past ten years was not the version actually voted in 2015. An earlier, unvoted version had mistakenly been posted. Wilson acknowledged this: “Pastor Wilson, why didn’t you catch that for 10 years? That’s a good question; we just have to take responsibility.”

The error was corrected. This is not the behavior of a “regime” intent on deception—it is the behavior of an imperfect but honest institution.

Part IV

Tithe Redirection—A Direct Violation of Inspired Counsel

Vine’s Position

Vine has been explicit: “A committee would collect the tithe and allocate it to conferences who are faithful to scripture… and that way, the conferences that go woke will go broke.” He acknowledges the sensitivity: “I recognise that when you touch the question of tithe, this is the sacred nerve in the Adventist Church.”

Biblical Response: The Storehouse Principle

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house.

— Malachi 3:10, KJV

The “storehouse” represents God’s designated repository for supporting the ministry—the organized church. God’s tithe belongs to God’s designated channel, not to individual judgment about which ministries deserve support.

The Widow’s Mites: Faithfulness Amid Corruption

Consider Jesus’ response to the widow who gave her two mites (Mark 12:41–44). The temple leadership at that time was deeply corrupt—these were the same leaders who would crucify Christ within days.

If ever there was justification for redirecting one’s offering to a “purer” cause, this was it.

Yet Jesus did not tell the widow to withhold her gift until the temple was reformed. He did not suggest she find a more faithful ministry. Instead, He held her up as the supreme example of true giving. Her faithfulness was to God, not contingent on the faithfulness of the institution’s leadership.

Spirit of Prophecy: Unambiguous Instruction

Let none feel at liberty to retain their tithe, to use according to their own judgment. They are not to use it for themselves in an emergency, nor to apply it as they see fit, even in what they may regard as the Lord’s work.

— Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 247

Some have been dissatisfied and have said: “I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way things are managed at the heart of the work.” But will you rob God because you think the management of the work is not right? Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right.

— Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 249

This statement directly addresses Vine’s position. The proper response to concerns about church management is never tithe redirection. It is working through proper channels while maintaining faithfulness.

The Irony of Vine’s Alternative

Vine condemns the General Conference by invoking Ellen White’s warnings about “a few men” controlling decisions. Yet his proposed alternative places financial decisions in the hands of far fewer people—sometimes a single individual—with no denominational accountability whatsoever.

The General Conference operates through elected officers, executive committees at every level, voted policies, published financial audits, and delegates who must answer to their constituencies. Vine’s solution to his perceived problem is structurally worse than what he condemns.

Part V

Liberty of Conscience and COVID-19

The Critical Distinction: What Is Liberty of Conscience?

Adventist theology has always maintained a precise definition of “liberty of conscience.” It refers specifically to God’s right to our worship and allegiance when civil authority demands we violate a “Thus saith the Lord.”

In cases where we are brought before the courts, we are to give up our rights unless it brings us in collision with God. It is not our rights we are pleading for, but God’s right to our service.

— Manuscript Releases, vol. 5, p. 69

The idea is entertained by many that a man may practice anything that he conscientiously believes to be right. But the question is, Has the man a well-instructed, good conscience, or is it biased and warped by his own preconceived opinions? Conscience is not to take the place of “Thus saith the Lord.”

— Ellen White, Letter 4, 1889

The question is straightforward: Does Scripture command or forbid vaccination? The answer is no. Vaccination is a matter of wisdom, judgment, and medical counsel—not a “Thus saith the Lord” issue.

Ellen White’s Personal Example

D.E. Robinson, Ellen White’s personal secretary, testified clearly:

You will be interested to know, however, that at a time when there was an epidemic of smallpox in the vicinity, she herself was vaccinated and urged her helpers, those connected with her, to be vaccinated. In taking this step Sister White recognized the fact that it has been proven that vaccination either renders one immune from smallpox or greatly lightens its effects if one does come down with it. She also recognized the danger of their exposing others if they failed to take this precaution.

— D.E. Robinson, letter to Clarence Hocker, June 12, 1931

Religious Exemptions: The Legal Reality

Religious exemption laws in the United States take personal belief into account, not corporate belief. The church’s official position on vaccination has no legal bearing on whether an individual can claim a religious exemption. Thousands of Catholics received religious exemptions despite the Vatican’s clear statement that COVID-19 vaccines are “morally acceptable.”

What the 2025 Vote Does and Does Not Prove

Vine and his supporters had argued that the 2015 and 2021 statements represented a small group imposing its will on the world church. The 2025 session provided the opportunity to test that claim. If delegates from around the world felt their conscience had been trampled—this was the moment to say so.

They did not. By a margin of more than five to one, delegates declined to revisit the matter. The controversy Vine frames as a worldwide crisis of conscience was revealed to be, in the words of one African delegate, “an American/white man thing.”

Part VI

Specific Policy Proposals—A Detailed Response

Proposal 1: Withdraw from UN Consultative Status

ADRA’s NGO consultative status, granted in 1997, enables humanitarian work in crisis zones worldwide. This status is not a theological endorsement of the UN. It is a practical mechanism for access to disaster zones, coordination with other relief agencies, and funding for relief work.

Jesus did not refuse to interact with Roman officials. Paul appealed to Caesar. The question is not association but compromise. Has ADRA’s status caused the church to deny the three angels’ messages?

Proposal 2: Withdraw from Ecumenical Participation

The SDA Church is not a member of the World Council of Churches. The church maintains “observer-consultant status” at meetings—the very thing Vine says should be maintained.

When our laborers enter a new field, they should seek to become acquainted with the pastors of the several churches in the place. Much has been lost by neglecting to do this.

— Gospel Workers, p. 298

Our ministers should seek to come near to the ministers of other denominations. Pray for and with these men, for whom Christ is interceding.

— Testimonies, vol. 6, p. 78

Isolation is not faithfulness; it is the abandonment of a mission field.

Proposal 3: Sell the NAD Healthcare System

Several critical problems: Medicare/Medicaid payments are reimbursements, not grants. They are payment for services rendered to patients. Refusing these payments would not free hospitals from federal law—it would simply make it impossible to serve the elderly, disabled, and poor. Healthcare institutions embody Christ’s method. Ellen White emphasized medical missionary work as central to gospel ministry.

A Double Standard on Government Funding

Under Vine’s leadership, Adventist Frontier Missions received $249,363 in federal PPP loans during the COVID-19 pandemic—loans that were subsequently forgiven. AFM accepted these forgivable government funds despite the North American Division issuing a strong recommendation that church organizations abstain from the PPP program due to religious liberty concerns.

One cannot credibly condemn government funding with one hand while accepting government funding with the other.

Proposal 4: Restructure ADRA Funding

ADRA’s policy is that government grant money is not used for direct evangelism. This is not compromise—it is honesty. Taking money designated for humanitarian relief and using it for proselytism would be dishonest. Jesus fed the 5,000 without requiring conversion first. ADRA opens doors for the church—humanitarian service creates goodwill and access that benefits evangelistic work done through other channels.

Part VII

Acknowledging Legitimate Concerns

In fairness to those drawn to Vine’s message, we must acknowledge that some underlying concerns have legitimacy:

Concerns We Share

The pandemic was painful for many. Some members experienced genuine hardship. Some felt their concerns were dismissed. This pain is real and deserves pastoral care.

Prophetic vigilance matters. Concern about ecumenical drift, about the church’s relationship to civil power, about maintaining our distinctive message—these reflect genuine Adventist eschatology.

Institutional priorities sometimes obscure mission. Every large organization faces the temptation to prioritize institutional preservation over mission.

Leadership is not infallible. Church leaders make mistakes. Some decisions during the pandemic could have been handled differently. Acknowledging this is not disloyalty—it is honesty.

Healthcare institutions face identity challenges. Our hospitals operate in a complex regulatory environment that creates genuine tensions with Adventist values.

Why Vine’s Response Is Wrong

Acknowledging these concerns does not validate Vine’s proposed response. Legitimate concerns do not justify tithe redirection—Ellen White’s counsel is unambiguous. Forming parallel structures creates the very division that weakens the church. Labeling leadership as “regime” poisons discourse and prevents reconciliation. Comparing the church to papal apostasy is historically and theologically indefensible. Encouraging separation fulfills the shaking prophecy in precisely the wrong direction.

The biblical response to church problems is reform from within, not departure. Christ’s messages to the seven churches addressed real problems—false teaching, dead works, lukewarmness. But His call was consistently to repentance and overcoming, not to leaving the church.

Part VIII

The Proper Response to Church Problems

Christ’s Model: The Seven Churches

Christ’s messages to the seven churches in Revelation 2–3 provide the template. He addressed real problems—false teaching in Pergamos, dead works in Sardis, lukewarmness in Laodicea. But His call was consistently to repentance and overcoming within the church structure. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches” (Revelation 3:22, NKJV).

We Must Not Take God’s Work of Judgment Into Our Own Hands

God permits men to be placed in positions of responsibility. When they err, He has power to correct or to remove them. We should be careful not to take into our hands the work of judging that which belongs to God.

— The Ministry of Healing, p. 484

Ellen White’s Counsel

Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right.

— Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 249

What This Looks Like Practically

Stay engaged in local church life. Influence begins with presence.

Participate in church governance. Serve on committees. Attend business meetings. Vote.

Express concerns through proper channels. Write to conference leadership. Submit proposals for constituency sessions.

Maintain tithe faithfulness. Continue supporting God’s organized work while advocating for change.

Pray for leaders. Criticism without intercession is not prophetic—it is merely corrosive.

Model the change you seek. If you want more evangelism, lead Bible studies. If you want more health ministry, start a health program.

Creating public campaigns to pressure the church financially, forming independent ministry platforms to circumvent church structure, positioning oneself as more faithful than the denomination—these are not the Spirit’s methods.

Conclusion

The Real Test Is Coming

The deepest irony of this controversy is that while Vine frames vaccination policy as prophetic persecution, genuine religious liberty threats continue to emerge. The real Sunday law movement advances. Genuine ecumenical consolidation progresses. Actual pressures on Sabbath observance exist in various parts of the world.

When we dilute “liberty of conscience” to include every personal health decision, we exhaust our credibility before the real battle. When we train members to see persecution where none exists, we blind them to actual prophetic fulfillment. When we divide the church over non-prophetic issues, we weaken our capacity to stand together when standing truly matters.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is imperfect. It contains unfaithful members. Some leaders make mistakes. But it remains God’s remnant church, entrusted with the three angels’ messages for a dying world. Our calling is to be faithful within it, to call it to revival when needed, and to prepare together for the return of Christ.

I testify to my brethren and sisters that the church of Christ, enfeebled and defective as it may be, is the only object on earth on which He bestows His supreme regard.

— Testimonies to Ministers, p. 15

A Direct Appeal

If you have been drawn to Conrad Vine’s message, we want to speak to you directly—not as opponents, but as fellow believers who share your love for this church and its mission.

We understand your frustration. The pandemic was disorienting. Perhaps you felt unheard. Perhaps you made painful sacrifices that seemed unrecognized.

We share some of your concerns. We too want a church zealous for mission. We too worry about compromise. We too believe the three angels’ messages are the most important proclamation the world needs to hear.

But we urge you: do not take the path of separation.

Consider the history. Every offshoot movement in Adventist history has believed itself to be the faithful remnant. Every one has been wrong. The Shepherd’s Rod. The Branch Davidians. The Reform Movement. Each began with sincere people convinced they saw what others missed. Each ended in disappointment, fragmentation, or tragedy.

Consider Ellen White’s warning: talking of “a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people” pleases the enemy. The very conviction that you are more faithful than the church is one of Satan’s most effective deceptions.

Consider what you are leaving: not a perfect church, but the church God established. The church that has maintained the Sabbath truth for 160 years. The church that preaches the three angels’ messages in over 200 countries. Flawed, yes. Struggling, sometimes. But still standing. Still the remnant.

Consider that “God will charge those who unwisely expose the mistakes of their brethren with sin of far greater magnitude than He will charge the one who makes the misstep. Criticism and condemnation of the brethren are counted as criticism and condemnation of Christ.”

Stay. Work for change from within. Make your voice heard through proper channels. Maintain your faithfulness to God’s established order. When the real test comes—and it will—you will want to be standing with God’s people, not scattered among the fragments of movements that promised purity but delivered division.

The church may appear as about to fall. It does not fall. It remains.

May you remain with it.

Quick Reference: Key Texts

Scripture References

  • Jerusalem Council model — Acts 15:1–31; 16:4
  • Storehouse principle — Malachi 3:10; Nehemiah 13:12–13
  • Widow’s mites — Mark 12:41–44
  • The Sheepfold and the Door — John 10:1, 9, 16
  • Christ’s messages to churches — Revelation 2–3
  • Church discipline process — Matthew 18:15–17

Spirit of Prophecy References

  • GC in session has authority — 9T 261 (1909)
  • Private judgment must be surrendered — 3T 492 (1875)
  • Do not redirect tithe — 9T 247–249
  • Seek acquaintance with other pastors — GW 298
  • Come near to ministers of other denominations — 6T 78
  • Beware those who denounce church — 3SM 17–18
  • Weapons against church militant — TM 22
  • Church will not fall; sinners sifted out — 2SM 380
  • “Purer, holier people” pleases the enemy — 1SM 179
  • Shaking blows away like dry leaves — 4T 89
  • Large class abandon position — GC 608
  • Church is God’s supreme regard — TM 15
  • Cannot enter new organization — Ms 129, 1905 (2SM 390)
  • Not broken into independent atoms — 7BC 911
  • Conscience vs “Thus saith the Lord” — Letter 4, 1889
  • God’s right to our service — 5MR 69.1
  • Ellen White vaccinated for smallpox — 2SM 303–304
  • Self-deception upon them — 4T 90
  • Make complaints to proper ones — 9T 249
  • “Kingly power” concerns — GC Bulletin, 1901
  • Responsible to Christ alone condemned — 3T 433
  • God permits men in positions; He corrects/removes them — MH 484
  • Criticism of brethren counted as criticism of Christ — 4Bio 135
  • Turn away from those who quote Testimonies while denouncing church — TM 51–53
  • God will care for His work; why worry? — 7T 298
  • Let God take care of His own work — 2SM 390

“He who has an ear, let him hear
what the Spirit says to the churches.”

— Revelation 3:22, NKJV

References

General References

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General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. (n.d.). Relationships with other Christian world communions. https://www.adventist.org/official-statements/

General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. (2015, April 15). Immunization [Official statement]. https://gc.adventist.org/official-statements/immunization/

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Spectrum Magazine. (2025, May 17). Mapping the frontal boundary of Adventism.

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Unless otherwise noted, Scripture quotations marked NKJV are from the New King James Version. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

Scripture quotations marked NIV are from the Holy Bible, New International Version. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.

Scripture quotations marked KJV are from the King James Version of the Bible.